Proof of Transsexualism.

I have undeniable proof that Transsexualism is real. I was watching Women's rugby and I had an important realization.

First of all the women were violent and brutal savages meleeing and running into each other and diving into each other like savages. Running at full speed knocking their shoulders into each other's heads.

But then I realized. Even though they were still savages, they were all hotter than me. Even the girl with a flat chest, looked more female than me. And I got turned on when they were tackling each other little.

And it made me realize an epiphany - that the mind can be a different gender than the body. I kept thinking about sissies and effeminate males. When I was a teen I was a sissy of basketball and soccer afraid of being hurt by people.

Then I realized that the male mind, can actually be more girly than the female mind, thus gender is not real. All that is real is Plato's forms. So it's like, your mind can be more girly than your body, but if you were cursed with a masculine body and girly mind, then too bad, says the universe and society. There is no actual guarantee that you will be hot, or as hot as a girl, if your brain is girly.

I actually have more evidence the mind doesn't always match the body. Ugly people. What about a nice ugly person. But they look butt ugly. And then they have body dysmorphic because they are ugly. This is more evidence, that the brain does not always match or accept the body it was given.

So you might actually have a girlier brain than a woman, or a brain almost as girly as a woman, but the universe does not care, and curses you with random genes and bodies. It is undeniable at this point.

True Angel. And it's a fallacy that women's rugby players are necessarily lesbian. I was good friends with a very slight girl, many years ago, smaller than me and as feminine and pretty as a pearl.

I never met more of a man than her. She thought like a man, acted like a man, even walked and stood like one. She drank pints of beer, was up for comment on all the male pursuits, football, rugby and cricket, she loved cars and had a motorbike.

Yet, she liked men and last time I saw her, she was happily married with two sons....

Celia xx

Celia Eriksson wrote:True Angel. And it's a fallacy that women's rugby players are necessarily lesbian. I was good friends with a very slight girl, many years ago, smaller than me and as feminine and pretty as a pearl.

I never met more of a man than her. She thought like a man, acted like a man, even walked and stood like one. She drank pints of beer, was up for comment on all the male pursuits, football, rugby and cricket, she loved cars and had a motorbike.

Yet, she liked men and last time I saw her, she was happily married with two sons....

Celia xx

I fantasized some of them as lesbians actually, but here's the thing. When I was a teen I always looked at lesbian porn. But as an adult, and I grow more mathematical, and I look at the physics of the situation. I say, where is the dick? It feels like an imbalanced equation. I am not a bigot, like I said, I used to fap to lesbians back in the day. But what I would like to say is, the idea of 2 vags rubbing together just doesn't do it for me, in terms of me as a mathematician. It just doesn't have "umph" and doesn't feel secure like 2 legos locked together.

Therefore, when I see these 2 lesbianish women tackling each other, I think about me, tackling them both, and joining in the love. But then I realize I am trans, and don't have male confidence, so I just get angry and bitter.

But the bottom line is, these lesbians might not be lesbians for this very realization, the mathematical train of thought of the realization, that pegs go into holes, and there is needed a dominant, penetrative force, and that such a force, at times, outweighs the need for visual physical perfection.

Well, ya got me there.... though don't the top woman use a thingystrap for penetrative thingy? I think it's more than that, there are more complicated reasons. Well, as being someone that finds the vagina repulsive, the thought of two together...……… yuk.

Anyway, I found some of your contributions good tonight, you have lightened up a lot and I like people to be happy, coz I reckon the world is a happy place. I have to sleep coz I'm on early shift tomorrow.


Celia xx

Celia Eriksson wrote:Well, ya got me there.... though don't the top woman use a thingystrap for penetrative thingy? I think it's more than that, there are more complicated reasons. Well, as being someone that finds the vagina repulsive, the thought of two together...……… yuk.

Love hate relationship myself about it. Some vags don't do it for me others do. My motto is hate the sin, but not the sinner. There is a lot of good to a woman, besides just the fish sandwich.

Anyway, I found some of your contributions good tonight, you have lightened up a lot and I like people to be happy, coz I reckon the world is a happy place. I have to sleep coz I'm on early shift tomorrow.


Celia xx

You've just realised that many gender stereotypes are just that stereotypes. I just mentioned on the golf thread that my Mother loved watching sport and I mostly didn't.


But it's fair to say that strong women, sporty women, female soldiers and any other woman who takes on a more atypical male roles are not neccessarily lesbians. In fact it's considerd a serious insult these days. I've been friends with several women like that but only one is a lesbian and quite butch. Most lesbians I've met are really quite girly.


But don't make the mistake of thinking that while rugby is a very physical game that the women playing are just like men. They are not. They're still women and women in a team have a greater emotional closeness than you'd get in a male team. Much less ego for a start and less aggression.


One of the problems I've had and probably relatively common among transexuals including you Angelic is that we are confused. If we have in interest in something that is more typically male. We wonder how we can be trans. But we're guilty of gender stereotyping ourselves. But there's no excuse for it anymore when we see women taking on a broader role in society.


I know for one thing that once I accepted that my 'male' interests were perfectly acceptable for a woman than it helped me accept myself for who I am. Strangely once I accepted myself many of my male interests waned. I think because they were just an attempt on my part to fit in. Also my relationship with women, while always good, definitely improved. I was just more relaxed more myself.


Also I note Angelic you are rather obssessed with sex. Your language is rather choice. But it's not really related to being trans. It's ok to be attracted to women and men. I tend towards men these days but I am still attracted to women and indeed if I was to transtion. I have a fantasy of being with another woman as a lesbian. But I am married to woman who doesn't have sex with me anymore. So it's all fantasy. That's another thing women do have sexual fantasies. Another gender stereotype finished off.

mariehart1 wrote:You've just realised that many gender stereotypes are just that stereotypes. I just mentioned on the golf thread that my Mother loved watching sport and I mostly didn't.


But it's fair to say that strong women, sporty women, female soldiers and any other woman who takes on a more atypical male roles are not neccessarily lesbians. In fact it's considerd a serious insult these days. I've been friends with several women like that but only one is a lesbian and quite butch. Most lesbians I've met are really quite girly.

My view is that most women are lesbians but in denial, because of dick. Most women have a subconscious awareness of lesbian bed death, and how it is essentially boring for two females to be together, it lacks the seriousness of the male intrusion. Women want to be ravished. Ravishing is different from rape, it occurs only when a woman is in lust or love with a male (or another female.) Plus embedded in a woman's subconscious is that they want to please a man and so if they are lesbian, it feels like two rich being with another rich, instead of hosting a charity. Why please a woman who's already perfectly beautiful, when you could save a man from torment? Plus they cannot resist when they see a hot guy like this. Who could say no to this?

But don't make the mistake of thinking that while rugby is a very physical game that the women playing are just like men. They are not. They're still women and women in a team have a greater emotional closeness than you'd get in a male team. Much less ego for a start and less aggression.

What gives me ego and aggression is the fact I was never allowed to experience that kind of closeness and had to play stupid male sports where I was afraid all of the time. But then I see women's rugby on tv and every time one of them gets brutally smacked in the head I laugh and my jealousy subsides.

One of the problems I've had and probably relatively common among transexuals including you Angelic is that we are confused. If we have in interest in something that is more typically male. We wonder how we can be trans. But we're guilty of gender stereotyping ourselves. But there's no excuse for it anymore when we see women taking on a broader role in society.


I know for one thing that once I accepted that my 'male' interests were perfectly acceptable for a woman than it helped me accept myself for who I am. Strangely once I accepted myself many of my male interests waned. I think because they were just an attempt on my part to fit in. Also my relationship with women, while always good, definitely improved. I was just more relaxed more myself.

Or it could be that you had low testosterone, and it lowered your drive for activities.
My relationship with women was always terrible, and my relationship with men I always felt awkward and afraid of them, like for all I knew they were spies out to get me. I'm talking about even my non-sexual relationships. Except for this one guy, who is a girly man and is attracted to women but likes cuddling and dolls.

Also I note Angelic you are rather obssessed with sex. Your language is rather choice. But it's not really related to being trans. It's ok to be attracted to women and men. I tend towards men these days but I am still attracted to women and indeed if I was to transtion. I have a fantasy of being with another woman as a lesbian. But I am married to woman who doesn't have sex with me anymore. So it's all fantasy. That's another thing women do have sexual fantasies. Another gender stereotype finished off.

I guess I am a woman then.

Also, to be specific, my obsession is with romance. Because this morning I tried to get horny but could not be horny. Because I thought about how I am alone and noone loves me, and it made me angry, and I tried to get horny but could not. The sad thing is I am a nympho but given the life of a virgin. And not just the life of a virgin but hating being male. So everything is either a double whammy triple whammy or curveball, which makes me rage at the unfairness even more, turning it into a quad whammy, then someone tells me life isn't fair, deal with it, which makes me rage even more, and then even the idea of them even saying it in the future makes my blood boil, so it turns into a sixtuple whammy.

Oh Angel,

Well said. Though that guy is a drawing, I like the real thing, but I do see something there. I don't get turned on by drawings though. I do think I could generalise and believe everyone saw things from my perspective too. But I have told you, we are all different!!!!

Having said that, I particularly agree with the part about being 'afraid' of men. I love men and I know exactly everything I want from a man. The paradox is, I was less particular when I could have chosen better from more, (not hordes of men), just more, wanting me when I was young.

But, whenever I have met one that showed interest, and bearing in mind that I have always known that he must know full well what I have in my panties, I have still always been frit at the beginning of any relationship.

Though, I have to be honest, fear adds to the excitement of new relationships, without doubt and I cannot be alone in that. I think everyone, yes everyone has that.

It's just been a few years since and though I get interest, I dunno, I just don't get chatted up to dating level so much these days, I'm getting old, ya see, very few want me now. But even the sly looks I uncover men making, looking at my bum and that, it frightens me a little somehow and that is still kinda bittersweet. BTW it's usually men out with their wives and even family....

But the sheer joy, OK, mostly when I was a twink, was when the prey phoned next day and wanted to see me again... or when I woke up in the morning next to him safe and sound and he still showed interest in me. It's an amazing feeling. I've had few blossoming reiationships and just two partners many years ago. I will always be afraid when a man shows even a glint of interest. I guess most women are a little frit, but me being what I am now, I am super-frit.

I have no doubt that most men that have liked me, liked the fact that I got super-frit, though I do remember one that didn't like me shaking like a leaf...… but over all, does not even the strongest and manliest cis male gets frit upon his heart and dick's desire, at the realtionships' beginning....

Celia xx

Celia Eriksson wrote:Oh Angel,

Well said. Though that guy is a drawing, I like the real thing, but I do see something there. I don't get turned on by drawings though.
Celia xx

I am the opposite. Most real life nudity often disgusts me, and often the animated things offer relief. If even they (in the real life) are not nude, many still disgust me with their appearance.

I want to respond to you more tommorow. But I have this inherent thing where I am subconsciously in rage and unable to respond to more than one thing at a time.

The voices celebrate me, and tell me I have done right and made a good post.

I don't know "who" I am; I wish that I could have a MRI to see if part of my brain is "female" or not. Until then, I consider myself 70% female/20% male/10% guilt (or, in other words, 20% male/80% female).

If you want proof of transsexualism here it is:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17352-8

I'm sure there are plenty of other studies out there too. Now there is no reason for any of us to feel weird or guilty about who we are. Our brains are different to cis gender and gay men. We're not making this up.

mariehart1 wrote:If you want proof of transsexualism here it is:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17352-8

I'm sure there are plenty of other studies out there too. Now there is no reason for any of us to feel weird or guilty about who we are. Our brains are different to cis gender and gay men. We're not making this up.

Papillion said I'm making it up, because I never hated my penis, even though I did used to hate my penis, also implying that people who do not hate their penis are not trans. I shall make a thread about cis soon.

Okay she is gone but, the pain still remains.

Angelic wrote:

mariehart1 wrote:If you want proof of transsexualism here it is:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17352-8

I'm sure there are plenty of other studies out there too. Now there is no reason for any of us to feel weird or guilty about who we are. Our brains are different to cis gender and gay men. We're not making this up.

Papillion said I'm making it up, because I never hated my penis, even though I did used to hate my penis, also implying that people who do not hate their penis are not trans. I shall make a thread about cis soon.

Okay she is gone but, the pain still remains.

I wouldn't bother. I don't hate the thing either. I just don't want it hanging around down there like an unwanted lodger. Your either transgender or you're not. You relationship with your body parts is neither here nor there. It's what's inside your head that counts. The only question in your mind should be. Am I a woman or not?

mariehart1 wrote:

Angelic wrote:

mariehart1 wrote:If you want proof of transsexualism here it is:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17352-8

I'm sure there are plenty of other studies out there too. Now there is no reason for any of us to feel weird or guilty about who we are. Our brains are different to cis gender and gay men. We're not making this up.

Papillion said I'm making it up, because I never hated my penis, even though I did used to hate my penis, also implying that people who do not hate their penis are not trans. I shall make a thread about cis soon.

Okay she is gone but, the pain still remains.

I wouldn't bother. I don't hate the thing either. I just don't want it hanging around down there like an unwanted lodger. Your either transgender or you're not. You relationship with your body parts is neither here nor there. It's what's inside your head that counts. The only question in your mind should be. Am I a woman or not?

View myself as the best and worst of both worlds. When I think of woman I just think of the Americanized thing I see on TV. I hate all men and women I see on TV, except for Simon Cowell because I look up to cool and masculine men like Simon Cowell. I identfiy and want to be a teenage girl, because I feel like a my little pony teenage girl of highschool, or an anime or Monster High girl of highschool. In terms of my raw mental patterns, when I watch tv or movies I am more like the villians or anti-heroes. I do not identify as the cishet females who fall for the stoic alpha male rich douche of the movie, I rarely identify with the male or female characters of American movies except for villians or anti-heroes, or outcasts of the movie.

View myself as the best and worst of both worlds. When I think of woman I just think of the Americanized thing I see on TV. I hate all men and women I see on TV, except for Simon Cowell because I look up to cool and masculine men like Simon Cowell. I identfiy and want to be a teenage girl, because I feel like a my little pony teenage girl of highschool, or an anime or Monster High girl of highschool. In terms of my raw mental patterns, when I watch tv or movies I am more like the villians or anti-heroes. I do not identify as the cishet females who fall for the stoic alpha male rich douche of the movie, I rarely identify with the male or female characters of American movies except for villians or anti-heroes, or outcasts of the movie.

And therein lies your problem. TV, movies, reality TV and the rest is not real. Believe me I worked on TV and movies and even the way they're made is doesn't feel like real life. I've been on a movieset all day, every day for a week or more. When you walk out of the studio, it's like stepping back into the real world.

It isn't real and even the actors know that. Don't think for a minute that Simon Cowell is anything like his persona on TV.

You need to get out more I think.

mariehart1 wrote:

View myself as the best and worst of both worlds. When I think of woman I just think of the Americanized thing I see on TV. I hate all men and women I see on TV, except for Simon Cowell because I look up to cool and masculine men like Simon Cowell. I identfiy and want to be a teenage girl, because I feel like a my little pony teenage girl of highschool, or an anime or Monster High girl of highschool. In terms of my raw mental patterns, when I watch tv or movies I am more like the villians or anti-heroes. I do not identify as the cishet females who fall for the stoic alpha male rich douche of the movie, I rarely identify with the male or female characters of American movies except for villians or anti-heroes, or outcasts of the movie.

And therein lies your problem. TV, movies, reality TV and the rest is not real. Believe me I worked on TV and movies and even the way they're made is doesn't feel like real life. I've been on a movieset all day, every day for a week or more. When you walk out of the studio, it's like stepping back into the real world.

It isn't real and even the actors know that. Don't think for a minute that Simon Cowell is anything like his persona on TV.

You need to get out more I think.

I been in real life. It is the same as tv.

Angelic wrote:

I been in real life. It is the same as tv.

It's not. I've been in both. Believe there is nothing so bizarre as to switch channels on a TV and see yourself. There's me but that's not me.

I was like you in many ways without the drama. Maybe it's an American thing but my impression from being to the US a few times is that many Americans seem to live in their own movie.
But in my world I was a lonely

I've been in several lifes.

Missed out on teen life though.
Been military, that's it's own world.
Done the work thing, once upon a long time ago in the 80s.
Done the married life.
Done the parental life (doesn't really end when they graduate to adult).
Haven't done the grandparent thing yet.
Been both an uncle and an aunt.
I've had to cope with going from thinking I wanted a woman, to realizing it was always supposed to be a man.
I've done the transition from living a lousy excuse fake male existence to getting it correctly female.
Using the ladies restroom the first few times is something you have to experience to understand fully.
Done the dating life after 50, Not a fan.
Did the dating as both declared transgender female, and just stated as female. It appears identical in experience.
Tried dating standard hetero males, and tried dating transgender female liking males.
Don't have a lot to say positive about either.
Sex with a penis was functionally pleasing, I have not experienced sex with a vagina (and not expecting a man to show me any time soon).
I did not like being pre-op transgender female, AT ALL.
And I have met a TERF in person. She was big, had a more male voice than me, not sure if she is lesbian, likely could please a sub lesbian. And she doesn't know she's a TERF. She just refuses to accept women with a penis as being female.
Here I am post-op female, and I'd LIKE to find a special someone, and, I'm beginning to think I'll gladly accept ANY human being regardless of plumbing if I can just find someone that loves ME and not just my body.

Real life, you can't escape it permanently, but, you can often avoid it efficiently.
Anime is fun, TV shows can be a good distraction.
My preferred place to hide in is my books.
Book places, they are NOT real. Anyone that actually thinks TV or a book is 'real' is in need of the relevant medication in all likelihood.
I KNOW what I am doing when I go on vacation from reality in a book.
Reality, it is often just a lot of people denying they are in the real world, for a fake one.
If you attend religious services, you are essentially doing the same thing I'm doing in my romance novels.
The Bible isn't reality.

I'm sane, even though I wish I wasn't so I could seek a cure.
I've made a point of discussing my teddy bear husband.
I know precisely how real it is.
He's a great deal superior to a lot of human men I see on a daily basis.
My friend Carolyn is quite fond of this one guy in town. If he were to treat me the same way he treats her, well, let's just say he wouldn't have had as many opportunities for repeat performances eh.
Sometimes we tell ourselves really dumb shit to get by the day.

mariehart1 wrote:

Angelic wrote:

I been in real life. It is the same as tv.

It's not. I've been in both. Believe there is nothing so bizarre as to switch channels on a TV and see yourself. There's me but that's not me.

I was like you in many ways without the drama. Maybe it's an American thing but my impression from being to the US  a few times is that many Americans seem to live in their own movie.
But in my world I was a lonely

Lonely what?

Also, what famous movie/tv persona were you?

Lesley, the only difference between tv/movies/ and real life is the combat. In TV the hero never loses. So the combat is fake. But as far as the mannerisms, conversations, social interactions it is often almost the same or damn near similar.