A very off-the-wall question
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A very off-the-wall question
I was reading an 1821 Supreme Court case about the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Congress arresting someone who defied an order of the House to appear before the House and in the body of the opinion was the following term:
I did a web search and the closest I came to an answer involved the following:
Does anyone have an idea of what '&c" means?
&c
I did a web search and the closest I came to an answer involved the following:
... wise precaution to see that the bath-room [sic], &c., when it is used is well ventilated.
Does anyone have an idea of what '&c" means?
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"Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. "—Oscar Wilde.
If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient, top-heavy, and tax-mad, better it is all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag.
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MichaelaSJ- Moderator
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
etc means et cetera
used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.
"we're trying to resolve problems of obtaining equipment, drugs, et cetera"
synonyms: and so on, and so forth, and so on and so forth, and the rest, and/or the like, and/or suchlike, and/or more of the same, and/or similar things, et cetera et cetera, and others, among others, et al., etc.; informaland what have you, and whatnot
"you need wellingtons, raincoats, umbrella, et cetera"
indicating that a list is too tedious or clichéd to give in full.
"we've all got to do our duty, pull our weight, et cetera, et cetera"
used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.
"we're trying to resolve problems of obtaining equipment, drugs, et cetera"
synonyms: and so on, and so forth, and so on and so forth, and the rest, and/or the like, and/or suchlike, and/or more of the same, and/or similar things, et cetera et cetera, and others, among others, et al., etc.; informaland what have you, and whatnot
"you need wellingtons, raincoats, umbrella, et cetera"
indicating that a list is too tedious or clichéd to give in full.
"we've all got to do our duty, pull our weight, et cetera, et cetera"
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Lesley Niyori- Posts : 1074
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
Interestingly, the ampersand, &, was originally formed as a ligature of the e and t in the Latin word 'et', meaning 'and'. While it has become more stylized in most fonts, it can still be seen in some modern fonts, such as Trebuchet.
This should display the Trebuchet version of ampersand correctly, if your computer has that font: &
This should display the Trebuchet version of ampersand correctly, if your computer has that font: &
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
It is very old and comes from Roman times..... et cetera is written with the ampersand and a 'c'. Like this..... &c …… that's different from just...… & …… as Tara correctly states meaning 'and'. The two have different meanings.
So fun question...… can you make a phrase where the word 'and' or an ampersand can be legitimately used in a sentence in English and make sense, no less than five times in a row?
Celia xx
So fun question...… can you make a phrase where the word 'and' or an ampersand can be legitimately used in a sentence in English and make sense, no less than five times in a row?
Celia xx
Re: A very off-the-wall question
That is the problem, it is a legal abbreviation of some sort and is more than just the ampersand and the letter c.
Oh well, it will become a mind burrowing worm (like an earworm).
Oh well, it will become a mind burrowing worm (like an earworm).
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"Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. "—Oscar Wilde.
If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient, top-heavy, and tax-mad, better it is all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag.
Fahrenheit 451
“lifelong atheist, not afraid of burning in hell,” Ron Reagan FFRF
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
So I looked up it's legal usage and it is actually a mine field, but I cannot find the use of it meaning et cetera without the c added. Upon it's own it has some very complex meanings that I have no wish to plough through and I may well come up with it being used so, but for all intent and purpose et cetera is written &c as far as I can ascertain and recognised so, we need a legal eagle to answer!!!!!..... whoooooo I sound very intellectyall there don't I?!!!!!!
Anyway Miki, come on answer the fun questie….. five 'ands' in a row!!!!!!
Anyway Miki, come on answer the fun questie….. five 'ands' in a row!!!!!!
Re: A very off-the-wall question
I once sat for the CPA exam (Chartered Accountant in the UK) and it was a five-part/two and a half day exam. The only part of the exam I passed was Business Law - HAH!
I will keep on looking.
I will keep on looking.
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"Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. "—Oscar Wilde.
If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient, top-heavy, and tax-mad, better it is all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag.
Fahrenheit 451
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
Oh well, lost hope is mine! I sail on the Good Ship Despair through the Cruel Sea of Ethereal Muteness and get Shipwrecked Upon the Wretched Rocks of Voicelessness……. Woe to me as I Thrash About The Thalassian Throng of The Wailing Sirens of Desolateness!
Ahem..... I will reveal the puzzle as nobody...… wait …. or should I? Should I not leave you seated upon the Benign Bench of Benightedness!!!!!..... Oh well, so five 'and's in a row and making sense in one sentence.....
Ok, a signwriter is talking to his boss, and asks his boss if he has done a good job writing a pub sign on a pub called the George and Dragon. "But." The boss said. "You have made the gaps too long between George and and, and and and Dragon."
Ta-da!
Celia xx
Ahem..... I will reveal the puzzle as nobody...… wait …. or should I? Should I not leave you seated upon the Benign Bench of Benightedness!!!!!..... Oh well, so five 'and's in a row and making sense in one sentence.....
Ok, a signwriter is talking to his boss, and asks his boss if he has done a good job writing a pub sign on a pub called the George and Dragon. "But." The boss said. "You have made the gaps too long between George and and, and and and Dragon."
Ta-da!
Celia xx
Re: A very off-the-wall question
So, I found a law forum and asked the question and got the answer.
&c is an abbreviation of etcetera.
WTF, couldn't they have figured out in 1821 that "etc" has a lot more meaning than "&c" even though it does take one more letter and thus not as economical.
&c is an abbreviation of etcetera.
WTF, couldn't they have figured out in 1821 that "etc" has a lot more meaning than "&c" even though it does take one more letter and thus not as economical.
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"Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. "—Oscar Wilde.
If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient, top-heavy, and tax-mad, better it is all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag.
Fahrenheit 451
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Re: A very off-the-wall question
I fly, high through the sky of the Insurmountable Indigo Mist of Invisibleness...
Re: A very off-the-wall question
Celia Eriksson wrote:So I looked up it's legal usage and it is actually a mine field, but I cannot find the use of it meaning et cetera without the c added. Upon it's own it has some very complex meanings that I have no wish to plough through and I may well come up with it being used so, but for all intent and purpose et cetera is written &c as far as I can ascertain and recognise.
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